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  • Jan. 14th, 2008 at 7:40 PM
Diana, Wonder Woman
I'm linking here to Pink Raygun.com, entry from January 11th.

I could have happily lived out the rest of my days without knowing about this. And I am quite literally forcing myself from breaking into a vicious and invective-filled rant about the sheer, grotesque double-standard that's being applied, here.

There are so many things I could say on this subject. So many things. And perhaps I will at a later date.

But I'll leave it with this. I'd much rather my daughter see this...




...than ever see that.

And, for those of you who consider such things, take a look at the banner on the Ms. cover. "Wonder Woman for President."

Do you really think it's a coincidence that Playboy chose this year, the issue for the month containing "Tsunami Tuesday," to run this particular pictorial? Do you really?

I can hear the WB wanks right now. "As long as it's tasteful...."

Bastards all. You've no idea the damage you've done. No idea at all.

Comments

[info]ruckawriter wrote:
Jan. 15th, 2008 04:31 am (UTC)
I'm going to take the Fifth on this for the moment...except to say the following:

I honestly think DC/WB has no idea who her target audience is. I suspect, more often than not, they think she has none.

And as for those who say that Diana is a fetish character, 1) find me a superhero who isn't ("Spandex," says Mark Waid, "is a privilege, not a right.") and 2) how many of those people would burst a vessel, if not a vital organ, if Playgirl ran a similar cover/pictorial with a male, semi-erect model painted up as Batman?

I call bullshit.

Edited at 2008-01-15 04:32 am (UTC)
[info]kali921 wrote:
Jan. 15th, 2008 04:38 am (UTC)
So very much agreed. As for the bullshit argument that Wonder Woman is a fetish character, not in my family. I've mentioned before to you (pardon the repetition, but I feel it needs to be said publicly again) that my mother raised me on generous portions of Wonder Woman. A lot of young girls in America grew up reading Diana. Fetishization? Bullshit. For a man to call Diana's strength and persona a fetish is so very much missing the very essentials of her character.

She is a symbol. DC knows this, I suspect.
[info]morchades wrote:
Jan. 15th, 2008 04:51 am (UTC)
Thank you. :)
[info]bar1scorpio wrote:
Jan. 16th, 2008 12:52 pm (UTC)
Bullshit called, and I raise you Joel Shumacher.

Spandex to Rubber. With nipples... and codpieces for everyone! Of course I guess here we see the reflection.. well, not really, I'm not sure how Batman & Robin went over with female viewers... I guess somebody's gotta be a Clooney fan.
[info]maltlick wrote:
Jan. 17th, 2008 05:57 am (UTC)
I wandered over from the wide world of blogs and links, and just wanted to respond to one bit you said:

how many of those people would burst a vessel, if not a vital organ, if Playgirl ran a similar cover/pictorial with a male, semi-erect model painted up as Batman?

How many comic book fans went into a spiraling, exceptionally vocal, homophobic tirade after Justice Society of America #7 hit shelves?

Probably the same number of people who don't see a problem with Wonder Woman in Playboy.
[info]madthinker12357 wrote:
Jan. 17th, 2008 11:04 am (UTC)
Call me crazy, but I'm guessing very few would be bothered by Playgirl doing it. They get a little crazy when it looks like the sexual picture is being aimed at them because it seem like they are buying a gay picture, but if it was in Playgirl, I think most guys would be fine with it.
[info]davidwynne wrote:
Jan. 18th, 2008 01:42 am (UTC)
...dude, read the comments above yours.

To save you the time: Schumacher's Batman, that picture of Citizen Steel (or whatever the hell his name is) where *gasp* HE HAD A PENIS.

And that's not even close to a playgirl spread. Maybe you think most fans would be fine with it, but the evidence life has so far presented does not back you up...
[info]madthinker12357 wrote:
Jan. 18th, 2008 02:30 am (UTC)
Those things you mention are true, David, but I think most guys think those things were marketed to them, to men. But Playgirl is marketed to women. I've never heard of a guy being bothered by a penis in Playgirl. Have you? I think the evidence is that guys aren't bothered by penises marketed to women.

I think those things you mentioned had a whiff of homoeroticism to them to those guys who were bothered and their homophobia kicked in with the fear that someone would think they were gay or supporting something gay if they paid for something with man nipples or dick.
[info]hammerheart_7 wrote:
Jan. 22nd, 2008 06:23 pm (UTC)
What, Wonder Woman's costume ISN'T exploitative? The cleavage and thong and everything? Wow, that's news to me.

Come ON. Her costume is a friggin' swimsuit, and she's ususally protrayed with vast boobs that barely fit inside the swimsuit. Of COURSE she's treated as a sexual object; she has been treated like a sexual object for DECADES.

IMO, the problem isn't with Playboy's silly cover; it's with the costume itself. We can't really complain when a character who is ALWAYS drawn as a sexual-object in comics suddenly is treated as a sexual-object outside of comics as well.

I think Wonder Woman's costume should be changed for something that a warrior/diplomat superheroine might actually wear. Wearing spandex is one thing, but Wonder Woman's costume is a skimpy swimsuit. Look at Storm: nowadays she wears a beautiful full-body black/golden costume, and it looks CLASSY. Phoenix's costume is another example of a full-body spandex superheroine costume that works perfectly well without cleavages and thongs. Invisible Woman is another good example. Meanwhile, Wonder Woman's breasts are always on the verge of bursting out of her generous cleavage.

And now it's Playboy that's treating her like a sex-symbol??
[info]ruckawriter wrote:
Jan. 22nd, 2008 06:38 pm (UTC)
No argument from me. I tried to get the costume changed from the start. Even had a story built around it. Despite repeated attempts, the response was a resounding no, and the arguments made were always commercial and economic ones, rather than those of story or content.

I think I agree with you about the heart of the problem. Absolving DC/WB of all guilt in the publication, arguing that Playboy was simply exercising fair-use...the fact is, she's been hyper-sexualized from the moment of inception, and there's no likelihood that portrayal will ever change, no matter who's writing the book, nor who's drawing it. It's not unique to that character, though she is, I think, by far, the most visible example of it.
[info]hammerheart_7 wrote:
Jan. 22nd, 2008 07:10 pm (UTC)
For what it's worth, mr. Rucka, you wrote the best Wonder Woman stories I've read in 30+ years of comics-reading. To be honest, the only problem with those stories is that her sexploitative costume didn't fit the character AT ALL, and that problem is clearly not your fault. Heck, you even had her wearing classier diplomatic robes and battlesuits quite often, fashion choices that greatly benefitted WW.

Ah, well. Maybe someday that will be allowed to change, and Wonder Woman will be a better character for it.
[info]hammerheart_7 wrote:
Jan. 22nd, 2008 07:11 pm (UTC)
Oh, and now I'm REALLY curious about the story you built around the costume change.

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